![]() Imagined that Thorin's grandfather Thror was the originalįounder of the realm of Erebor. Published, Tolkien only imagined one ancestor of Thorin Had two ancestors named "Thrain": his father and a remoteĪncestor who founded the realm of Erebor long before Thorin'sĮssential point of the " One Thrain" position Published, Tolkien had knowingly decided that Thorin Oakenshield Referenced later may be more authoritative): Have not been approved by all participants, so the specific posts Summarize the two positions as follows (but note that these summaries ![]() There to have been only one Thrain or two. Tolkien first invented that character: whether at the time that heįirst published The Hobbit he intended for In particular, the recent discussion has focused on when The textual history of the character "Thrain I", whom TolkienĮventually established as the founder of the Dwarvish kingdom underĮrebor. Much discussion has occurred (both recently and in the past) about Position described below, and thus the main conclusion of this essay,īut I have yet to make any effort to check the validity of the ![]() Of this issue (though certainly a less focused one). Hobbit" volumes, which give a far more authoritative treatment Publication of John Rateliff's "History of The (from watching or participating in a previous discussion, forĮxample), odds are that you won't get much out of what follows.įinally, I have made no attempt to revise this essay since the ![]() If you don't already know what the basic issue is This essay is about a rather obscure point of In case their browser formats this poorly.) ![]()
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